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hello welcome to swansea ufo network and

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we're out here again with

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with deborah brooks who's another knight

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of the triangles witness 19th of january

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1983

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deborah was 15 years old

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and standing here in

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morriston uh just above knee throat on

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the way to plasma

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and she was here with a few

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friends can you can you tell us what

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happened that night um i was hanging out

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with um three other friends uh susan and

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another two friends um who since passed

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away

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um we were just hanging up here

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messing about as you do teenagers and

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i kind of sensed that there was

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something above us that i saw that

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there was like a dark

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darkness coming over us

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and when i looked up there was a large

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triangle

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um

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traveling from that direction over to

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this direction and it was it was huge

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it's huge

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well it was

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you could see there was no stars the old

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stars

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there was a specific black triangle how

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big is it it was about the size of two

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football fields but it was quite low as

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well and it was moving very very slowly

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just really really slow any sound at all

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no i didn't hear anything nothing

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no nothing nothing we had the traffic

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down on the main roads

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but nothing doesn't last how are we

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talking

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it had been dark i think for about an

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hour it was cold it was dark it was

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clear skies

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about fourteen and a half fifteen right

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um we were just hanging up here

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yeah clear sky lots of stars

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um

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nothing was the first one to see it me i

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was the first one

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your friend sue and two others yeah

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buying a girl brother and sister yeah

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yeah and they're all about the same age

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yeah yeah i think they're all a couple

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about a year or two younger than me

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maybe put you in the picture within park

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avenue

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which is between placemail that way and

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morriston

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neath road is just down there that's the

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main road are we looking across the

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valley towards winch when yeah over

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there so it came from up there

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came from that direction from trailer

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road area roads up on top of the hill

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yeah right on top of the hill and it was

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came across

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it headed off over to

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say kevin hang guide

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school here

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over there

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west to east

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yeah but it was huge it was absolutely

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huge the back end of it was

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over those trees and houses there

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earlier

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you think of a triangle it'd be going

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like punk first but this was going flat

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end first the point was that end yeah

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the flat end yeah and it was it had

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already passed over the houses

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and the road

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yeah and were there any lights on it no

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it was just complete

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blackness it was just a big black

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triangle no lights no sound

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just the stars were gone

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and you could see the stars around but

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i saw it

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i was looking at it and then

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my friends were still talking to each

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other

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messing about and that

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so i brought it to their attention

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look at that was that and

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and nobody was saying anything nobody

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was moving

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nobody was doing anything and i just

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wanted to run

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and i was starting to get a bit of a

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panic

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and

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i kind of grabbed susan

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she kind of

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i don't know

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it was

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surprised to see me when i grabbed her i

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was like we got around we got run and so

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i grabbed her and then we all started

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running then what's the rest did you run

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over the road to a mum's i can't

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remember if mums was that way or that

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way it was by i know she lived by here

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and um she had to be in fatigue she

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couldn't she she hadn't been in fatigue

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so when we went barging in through the

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door and everything and i'm just giving

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her a roll for being late for tea yeah

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and um by what time for tea

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oh i think she had to be in by five or

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something like that

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um

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yeah

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o'clock it'd been dark for about an hour

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so we came from over the hill the hills

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quite a few hundred feet high isn't it

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oh yeah

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yeah but it was still

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it was

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it's still that's a little close going

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over us it's a lot lower than what you'd

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have a plane on a helicopter yeah you

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know um

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but it was

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it was frightening

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it was a long time ago

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i didn't understand what was going on

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nobody else seemed to be

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um

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as concerned about it at first as i was

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and i

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i just didn't understand

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i was confused and

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i was only 14 15 you know you don't did

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you tell anyone in the house when you

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got in the house for it

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i think i told a few people but i think

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i got

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about it did you see it in the paper the

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following day then i didn't

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no no um it was just one of those things

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that was talked about and then it went

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away nobody was bothered by it nobody

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was interested

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and i just never really spoke to people

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enough about it my husband knew about it

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that was about it i think this is the

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first case we've had where it said it's

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going backwards if you like being in

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there

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and no reversing lights

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yeah it's the first one yeah yeah all

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the others have been sort of uh point

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first this is uh no this was this was

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definitely the two city detectives were

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over in trackland at the time which is

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over that side of the valley

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and they they saw

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described the object as like a rectangle

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and okay it was sort of going towards

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them and then it turned

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towards the base that's right yeah you

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might have seen the same object

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so that

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mike troke his name was he reckoned it

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was rectangular

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yeah i'm just wondering whether because

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you saw it go in flat edge first

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yeah whether that's where he thought he

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was right he might have thought it was

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rectangular yeah

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i'm i'm i'm really certain it was a

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triangle yeah i'm re i am very certain

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that it was a triangle

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and it was the flat end was forward and

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there was no lights there were no lights

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here that makes me think you know it

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might not be the same thing

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cars they've got lights you could turn

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them on you can turn them off

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yeah maybe they were visible from his

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direction yeah

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looking at it because when when i when i

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saw it it was already over us

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it wasn't approaching it it was already

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over us

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and um so let me ask you a question if

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this was directly above you yeah right

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yeah the front end

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was down

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to where see that tree line a bit where

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the main road is the front end was

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already there

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and the back end

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was up

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where that tree line is there that was

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huge

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they're absolutely massive two football

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it covered this row of houses

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definitely covered this row of houses

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so come over there so from yeah from

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here down to just past that street lamp

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yeah

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but the far what the

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two street lamps down

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the first one not the first one there

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just beyond that yeah

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just beyond that so see the width of

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those houses there

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one two three four five six houses

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directly above me directly above me the

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middle when i locked up it was the

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middle part

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and how fast was it going

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really slow really slow i could have

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walked faster all right that's slow yeah

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yeah i could have if i had run down to

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the bottom i would have got there before

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the back end of it got done there when

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there's four of you started the leg

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how far it had gone

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it's a

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point the point had just passed over us

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right

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so yeah when it was above you was there

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any sort of markings you could make out

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on it or not it was just black

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just black shadow then is it black

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reflective street lights

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no it's just black because

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you're caught black not reflective at

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all no um

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yeah there was

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dark sky black sky

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lots of stars and there was this

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triangle where there was no stars

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because it was so quiet what made you

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look up

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i don't know i i do keep asking myself

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that question

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you were right underneath the street

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lamp yeah yeah

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was can you remember that would have

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been on that would have been on so that

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might have obscured your view of it in a

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way because it was like training down

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possibly yeah but you did say i think

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when you started the conversation that

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there was a sort of like darkness came

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over the top of it so maybe it was sort

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of darker than than

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yeah the sky wasn't all money and

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perhaps that's what attracted you to

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change yeah yeah

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i don't know what made me look up i

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really don't know

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but i did

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and it

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i didn't believe what i was seeing at

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and then

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when i realized i was seeing something

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that's when i tried to say to the guys

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what's that what's going on

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look at that and um

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i mean it was a bit more excitable than

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that

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and then they were looking

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and we all just stood there

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i don't i don't know i don't have a time

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period locally in the area here or no i

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wasn't you weren't no no my friends were

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my friends i just wonder if any of the

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sort of school kids had spoken about it

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or talked about the incident you know

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probably seen it as well no the only

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people i spoke to about it at the time

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were my three friends and i think i

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mentioned it to some family members and

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that was that

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you want me to like you

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no i haven't i haven't yes

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yeah i mean we used to hang out but um

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where did you live at the time

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oh i lived down in plasma down the

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bottom end

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no no um

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i used to just walk up along neath road

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and

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um

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most of the time we were in

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one of the other houses and you know

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but um this night were those days yeah

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teenagers are you sawing around the

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streets yeah we don't do it anymore

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wow

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we used to be left alone you know we

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were in the alleyway by you on the steps

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you know you could sit down with where

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the wall was

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have a mac about with your friends have

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laugh